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Have a friend. She's got about $8-$12K to spend on a car. She likes the Golf GTI she's driven, and she says she's "heard good things about Mazdas". I'm sure no one has an opinion. ;) |
She should make a quick list of all the cars that she can afford. Include used cars that are ideally either no more than 2-3 years old, or else have at least a year or two on their factory warranty - assuming she has little interest in an older ride with more potential issues.
Then she has to drive them. All of them. It'll take a few weekends and she should not stop midway when she inevitably finds one that feels right. Go on to the end, and then make her decision. It's really the best way to do it! Otherwise, we'll need to know more about what she's valuing. At that price, a Mazda3? I'm not a fan but they're okay. The GTI is a nice little car. |
She's definitely going to buy used.
She likes the Golf because it's "sporty" Is going more than 2-3 years just dumb? I'm definitely going to push her towards test driving stuff, but I thought rather than consider every make within that range, maybe narrow it down a bit. |
Hard to go wrong with a GTI. Maybe also check out a Golf R, if you can find one. Sounds like an enthusiast? Maybe look into an older E46 Bimmer, they're a great value now. One of my shop guys recently bought a sharp little 02' M3 with <100k miles for $8,500.
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I mean, not whether a car with 100K miles has lots of repairs, but whether repairs on an old BMW are anything like the cost of repairs on the newer ones? She'd shit a brick if she could get a BMW, but I'm worried she's not quite financially stable enough yet. That may have to be the next car. Also, unfortunately, M3s from the early 2000's seem to be in the $15 range around here. |
Killed on repairs? No more than a GTI. The E46 platform was very robust, just take care of service and it's GTG. A 330CI ZHP from that era is also a good find. It's kind of like a baby M3, most of the M-sport goodies but with less power. This looks okay too: Used BMW 3 Series For Sale Chicago, IL - CarGurus
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That's a hell of a listing right there. She should definitely take a look! Thanks!
Edit: and yes... she drives a stick. |
and this one: Used BMW 3 Series For Sale Chicago, IL - CarGurus
Those appear to be the best of the lot near you. |
She's flipping out over that listing.
The exact quote was "😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍" |
Used Honda Civic. The end.
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A BMW with those kind of miles, regardless of how well maintained, it going to start costing a good deal of money very soon- even if you are using non-oem parts and going to an independent garage.
BMWs are great fun to drive and are feel great just sitting in them, but I would never own one out of warranty again. Of course your (her) milage may vary, but I speak from a good deal of experience on owning high-mile BMWs. I've had two, both of which ended up being sold for scrap because the cost of repairs was a good deal more than the value of the car- not for accident repair or misuse, but for age and mile related issues. I am now driving a '14 520d and I love it, but it will not be hanging around past warranty expiration. |
It's hard to argue with a sample size of 2, I guess. :err: A BMW isn't "high miles" until it reaches 150K, as long as you keep up with service they're fine (definitely no worse than a GTI). The problem is that people don't, even though they claim they do.
A manual E46 is something every car enthusiast should own, at least once in their life, especially the M3s early in that series (I currently have a coupe and a cabrio and have had more than a dozen over the years). They're some of the best sub-$100k driver's cars ever built. |
What does "keeping up with service" actually entail on a car of that age?
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"It's my only car and I'm on a budget." Don't go for a ****ing 15 year old high end German car, that's stupid.
Wouldn't be a MacNN car thread without vehement arguing, right? |
I'm driving a 2004 Jetta Wagon with the 1.8 Turdbo that has just shy of 200K miles on it driving around the Washington DC area. I've been driving VW's since 1982. Best was a 1983 Rabbit GTI (Get There Immediately) that was somewhat tricked out.
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TrueDelta.com for reliability info.
Edmunds True-Cost-to-Own for info on maintenance and depreciation costs. Ignore anecdotes. "I've had good luck with...", "I really love my...", "I had a terrible time with..." statements are worthless. |
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How costly a car gets as it ages is important. Going back to 2011 IS WORTHLESS! My 1982 Jetta had NO ISSUES until 1988. My 1995 Jetta bought used had few issues until 2004, at 147K miles.
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What year of GTI did she drive? If it was a Mk IV (2004 or earlier) I'd have to vote "no" on that. They're nice cars, to be sure, but they have a lot more reliability issues than other cars in that class. I've yet to meet a MkIV owner that isn't always chasing a gremlin of some sort with their car.
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Definitely a recent model.
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for sporty + reliable, Subaru Impreza.
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Thanks for proving my point. |
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(Okay, that's an exaggeration, but not by much.) |
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For $12k you can get a great 3 with 20,000 miles and some factory warranty remaining. As far as small cars go, they're great to drive and they won't murder you with breakdowns and repair costs. |
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Volkswagen Golf / Rabbit / GTI Reliability BMW 3-Series Reliability Anything else, or have you run out of arguments (and dope)? |
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Man, you're really falling behind, try and follow the conversation.
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Even your gif game is streets behind. Keep up, dude.
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